How Can I Prove To Some One That They Are Not Right ?
I was talking to some one about dogs this morning, & these new designer “breeds”.
She said that labradoodles became a new registered breed in the kennel club. I explained to her that they are not, & to prove it i went on the crufts web site & searched the mutt.
She told me that after a dog gets to a certain population it becomes a new breed.
I then said “no, Labradoodles & other mutts do not have a breed Standard, so there for will never be a breed, never do they have a organization were they have set a breed Standard because they are only bred for cuteness, & mostly are bred from labrador & poodle, not labradoodle to labradoodle.
She still stuck to her words, & i know it sounds silly but it really agitated me. How can i prove my point, have i not explained it well enough ?
July 5th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
I wouldnt jump too fast…the rules may changing for mixed breeds. I was watching the new yesterday & here in Canada the kennel club is in financial trouble & they are seriously thinking of including mixed breeds & that might include the Labradoodle.
July 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Ask her to find proof of her statement for you. She won’t be able to.
If she still won’t admit she is wrong, then let it go. You can’t fix stupid. The more you try to change her mind, the more agitated you are going to get. It is not worth it.
July 5th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
“She said that labradoodles became a new registered breed in the kennel club. ”
Sadly – this is what her “breeder” probably told her & then charged her & arm & a leg for a mutt – mutt breeders will do anything for money.
July 5th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Search the KC website. Send them an email & ask them. Ask her to name or find one that is registered by the KC…won’t happen
YOU are indeed correct they are MUTTS & not registered. They do not breed true over generations…the requirement of truly being a “breed”.
July 6th, 2010 at 1:06 am
From the Kennel Club website (http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/603…
“The Kennel Club General Committee will consider an application for recognition of a breed once there are specimens of it resident in the UK. In general, an application should consist of:
* Names & addresses of UK owners/importers
* Total number of dogs of the breed in the UK
* Copies of pedigrees of UK dogs – at least 3 generations
* Recognition status in the country of origin
* Details of Registration body in country of origin
* Breed Registration statistics in country of origin & other countries
* Show entry statistics in country of origin & at international level
* Details of any inherited conditions prevalent in the breed
* If the breed has been crossbred, when the registry closed
* Brief history of the breed & photographs
* Breed Standard from country of origin & date of first internationally recognised standard
* For Working Breeds – details of activities.
Recognition of a breed allows registration on the Imported Breeds Register, although the breed would not be eligible for exhibition until such time as an Interim Breed Standard is published. This is not considered at the same time as recognition, as it is the Kennel Club’s policy to allow the breed to develop slowly before show participation is permitted.
Breed recognition is at the discretion of the Kennel Club General Committee. The policy on the recognition of new breeds is currently under review & therefore additional information may be requested & further criteria may be introduced.”
July 6th, 2010 at 6:50 am
This combination sure has produced some awesome dogs. I had heard of them before & started looking them up on line & oh my they are so precious. But like you said there can’t be a standard description for sure. I have seen them in all sizes & with so many different characteristics but oh so cute. What will be next?
July 6th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Well C some people just dont budge on there beliefs & are either to stubborn to confess to a mistake or you mite need physical evedence like a book on dogs. Ir u could just be talking to the wrong person who doesn’t know anything about dogs.
July 6th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Haven’t you ever heard you can’t argue with stupid.
You explained just fine.
July 6th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
a labradoodle is a HALF-BREED – two purebreds in one dog!
July 6th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
The proof is in writing. She says the breed is recognized by the Kennel Club… well the website says different. What more does she need?? Sounds like you’re arguing with a brick wall on this one. Some idiots just won’t accept the truth & there’s not much you can do about that.
July 6th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Well…MOST dogs came from mixing other breeds together to get what is now known as a purebreed, that of course took years of selective breeding for a specific job/duty. I’m not quite sure how long it take AKC to recognize a breed, but the labrdoodle is relatively new “breed”.
July 6th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
unfortunately there are some stubborn idiot people out there
you can try researching articles proving you right or go the AKC website that shows all the breeds
and also show here that the Continental KC is trash
July 7th, 2010 at 4:21 am
“…after a dog gets to a certain population it becomes a new breed.”
That’s probably one of the most stupid things Ive heard today.
I dont know how to prove it, but they aren’t a breed for sure.
Can’t you just show her the AKC website & show her they aren’t on there or whatever?
July 7th, 2010 at 7:56 am
Some people are stuck on what they believe, whether you present proof or not. Just leave it alone, it really isn’t hurting anyone.
July 7th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
go to the AKC website it will tell you all of the breeds that are registered
July 7th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
slap them in the face & call them a dirty *****
July 7th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
I think you got it right.
Simply put: breeds become breeds when they have a standard, & you can stick to that standard. When you breed two together, you’ll know exactly what you’re going to get.
“Labradoodles” are totally random–some have long hair, some short; some curly, some straight; almost ALL shed. Sizes vary as well.
There is no pattern there. You can’t breed two together & know exactly what size, shape, coat style, etc. is going to come from it. You CAN breed two purebreds, like two Labs, together & know you’re going to get a medium-large dog, with a short, double coat.
You’ll find pretty quickly that a lot of those that believe in “designer breeds” & “hybrid vigor” will be extremely stubborn & won’t consent to actual fact. I like to think they KNOW they’re wrong, but they’re just too embarrassed to admit it.